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mielott belevagnank mit is szabad es mit nem, es azt amit szabad hogyan kene, tisztazni szeretnem az elso mondat fogalmat. mivel interpretacio kerdese az egesz, itt az en enyem:
az “
első mondat” nem más, mint az a szövegrész amelyik az elso nem-
colophon∞ oldal elso betujetol a mondatot zaro interpunkcios jelig (beleertve) terjed. ha ilyen struktura nincs (csak kapjak a kezem koze egy modernistat), akkor az elso szerkezeti valtozas (paragrafus, bekezdes, versszak, stb) szamit a megallasi pontnak.
barati eloszok, kiadoi eloszok, vagy akarmilyen mas eloszok, ajanlasok, stb. nem minosulnek elso mondatnak. filmek elso mondatanak az elso kimondott mondat szamit.
bizonyos szerzok fiktiv eloszokat, bevezetoket alkalmaznak melyek eleve a fiktiv vilagba vannak ultetve, Frank Herbert Dune sorozata erre pelda. ezek elso mondata szinten nem minosul elso mondatnak.
Par szabaly amit jobb lenne nem ignoralni
- az elso es csakis az elso mondat. meg akkor is ha a masodik mondat sokkal viccesebb, jobb, akarmi mint az elso.
- try to record the sentence in the exact same way as it was in the book. no added emphasis, no case change, nothing. the typographical capitalisation added by the publisher can be ignored.
- everything is ordered alphabeticaly, works, authors, translated versions, everything. and so all the author WikiNames are surname first. Phillip K. Dick becomes DickPhillipK and not PhillipsKDick or DickKPhillips:
[[DickPhillipK Dick, Phillip K.]]
some languages, notably hungarian and japanese have surname first officialy, these names do not require a comma for seperation, e.g.
[[SzerbAntal Szerb Antal]]
an exception to the everything alphabeticaly rule: series. does not make sense to order the Dune series or the Hitchhiker's guide books alphabeticaly, does it? always apply common sense.
- special characters are not allowed in links, so instead of e.g.
[[BrontëEmily Brontë, Emily]] use
[[BronteEmily Brontë, Emily]] (note the 'ë' in the text of the link, that's ok)
- short stories are ok. if there's a whole collection by the same author (e.g. Slow Learner by Pynchon) put the collection title before every short story title: Slow Learner: The Small Rain.
- multiple authors: put the stuff under the first (or main) author's name and use cross-references. example: AdamsDouglas: Last Chance to See...
- translations: any language is welcome, the more translations the better. please specify the language and the name of the translator for reference in parentheses under the first sentence, e.g.:
(hungarian translation by Killgore Trout)
please note, that it's in the translator's power to make the first sentence shorter or longer (in one word: different) than the original.
- poems are all right. really.
- movies are fine, as long as there is no published literary piece it was based on. usually the later is better, so preferably submit that one. the author is of course the scriptwriter (if not noted otherwise). they should go into Drama :)
- if there are more editions/publications of the same piece, and it's not clear which one is the one to rule them all (this one also does not qualify, you hear me?), all versions may be presented with proper annotation.
- if the author is unknown or disputable, use TrulyAnonymous (becasue as we all know, there was an actual chronicler called Anonymous, although i still can't find his book on the net.)
- a brief note about a particular change (Please add a note on your edit. under the main edit window) is mostly welcome.
- this is a wiki, so we do categories. the main genre categories contain the alphabet as further categories. the authors should not be made into categories, all their creations should be listed in one page.
- the sitemap goes like this (example in parentheses):
- genre (prose),
- initial of the author surname (A),
- name of the author (AdamsDouglas),
- book (hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy)
- if in doubt, always look at the existing wiki markup how to format the author name, and the other titles, texts.
Templates
to make adding easier here are templates for adding stuff. these templates are also accessible from the Help button in the editor.
Letter page template
[[CategoryProse Prose]]
=====X=====
here come the author WikiNames
----
[[CategoryProse Prose]]
{{lastedit}}
Author page template
[[ProseX X]] | [[CategoryProse Prose]]
=====Au, Thor=====
====My Work====
bla bla
(hungarian translation by Killgore Trout)
----
[[ProseX X]] | [[CategoryProse Prose]]
{{lastedit}}
thank you and have fun.
mielott belevagnan mit is szabad es mit nem, es azt amit szabad hogyan kene, tisztazni szeretnem az elso mondat fogalmat. mivel interpretacio kerdese az egesz, itt az en interpretaciom:
az “
első mondat” nem más, mint az a szövegrész amelyik az elso is the text starting at the
first letter on the
first non-colophon page of a particular (e)book up to and including the
ending full stop. if there is no such thing (hello modernists...), the first
structural change (paragraph, section, strophe, etc)
or the end of the first page (whichever comes first) qualifies as the stopping point.
forewords,
editor's notes,
publisher's notes,
friend's notes,
dedications and the kind do not qualify. the first sentence for a movie is the first uttered sentence.
Edited on 2006-02-21 19:37:20 by MinusF
Additions:
» angolul
mielott belevagnan mit is szabad es mit nem, es azt amit szabad hogyan kene, tisztazni szeretnem az elso mondat fogalmat. mivel interpretacio kerdese az egesz, itt az en interpretaciom:
az “
első mondat” nem más, mint az a szövegrész amelyik az elso is the text starting at the
first letter on the
first non-colophon page of a particular (e)book up to and including the
ending full stop. if there is no such thing (hello modernists...), the first
structural change (paragraph, section, strophe, etc)
or the end of the first page (whichever comes first) qualifies as the stopping point.
forewords,
editor's notes,
publisher's notes,
friend's notes,
dedications and the kind do not qualify. the first sentence for a movie is the first uttered sentence.
Deletions:
angolul
hi there, i want to talk to you about ducts.
(as you can see, technically speaking even movie scripts are fine, but first things first, let us define what qualifies as first sentence.)
az “
első mondat” nem más, mint az a szövegrész amelyik is the text starting at the
first letter on the
first non-colophon page of a particular (e)book up to and including the
ending full stop. if there is no such thing (hello modernists...), the first
structural change (paragraph, section, strophe, etc)
or the end of the first page (whichever comes first) qualifies as the stopping point.
forewords,
editor's notes,
publisher's notes,
friend's notes,
dedications and the kind do not qualify. the first sentence for a movie is the first uttered sentence.
Edited on 2006-02-21 19:34:31 by MinusF
Additions:
angolul
Oldest known version of this page was edited on 2006-02-21 19:34:01 by MinusF []
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hi there, i want to talk to you about ducts.
(as you can see, technically speaking even movie scripts are fine, but first things first, let us define what qualifies as first sentence.)
az “első mondat” nem más, mint az a szövegrész amelyik is the text starting at the first letter on the first non-colophon page of a particular (e)book up to and including the ending full stop. if there is no such thing (hello modernists...), the first structural change (paragraph, section, strophe, etc) or the end of the first page (whichever comes first) qualifies as the stopping point. forewords, editor's notes, publisher's notes, friend's notes, dedications and the kind do not qualify. the first sentence for a movie is the first uttered sentence.
Some authors employ fictional forewords/introductions into the realm where the events take place, e.g. one of the Dune series contains excerpts from an interrogation, etc. skip these, these are not the “real” first sentences.
The Rules
- only and only the first sentence. fight the temptation even when the second sentence is much better/funnier/whatever as the first one.
- try to record the sentence in the exact same way as it was in the book. no added emphasis, no case change, nothing. the typographical capitalisation added by the publisher can be ignored.
- everything is ordered alphabeticaly, works, authors, translated versions, everything. and so all the author WikiNames are surname first. Phillip K. Dick becomes DickPhillipK and not PhillipsKDick or DickKPhillips:
[[DickPhillipK Dick, Phillip K.]]
some languages, notably hungarian and japanese have surname first officialy, these names do not require a comma for seperation, e.g.
[[SzerbAntal Szerb Antal]]
an exception to the everything alphabeticaly rule: series. does not make sense to order the Dune series or the Hitchhiker's guide books alphabeticaly, does it? always apply common sense.
- special characters are not allowed in links, so instead of e.g.
[[BrontëEmily Brontë, Emily]] use
[[BronteEmily Brontë, Emily]] (note the 'ë' in the text of the link, that's ok)
- short stories are ok. if there's a whole collection by the same author (e.g. Slow Learner by Pynchon) put the collection title before every short story title: Slow Learner: The Small Rain.
- multiple authors: put the stuff under the first (or main) author's name and use cross-references. example: AdamsDouglas: Last Chance to See...
- translations: any language is welcome, the more translations the better. please specify the language and the name of the translator for reference in parentheses under the first sentence, e.g.:
(hungarian translation by Killgore Trout)
please note, that it's in the translator's power to make the first sentence shorter or longer (in one word: different) than the original.
- poems are all right. really.
- movies are fine, as long as there is no published literary piece it was based on. usually the later is better, so preferably submit that one. the author is of course the scriptwriter (if not noted otherwise). they should go into Drama :)
- if there are more editions/publications of the same piece, and it's not clear which one is the one to rule them all (this one also does not qualify, you hear me?), all versions may be presented with proper annotation.
- if the author is unknown or disputable, use TrulyAnonymous (becasue as we all know, there was an actual chronicler called Anonymous, although i still can't find his book on the net.)
- a brief note about a particular change (Please add a note on your edit. under the main edit window) is mostly welcome.
- this is a wiki, so we do categories. the main genre categories contain the alphabet as further categories. the authors should not be made into categories, all their creations should be listed in one page.
- the sitemap goes like this (example in parentheses):
- genre (prose),
- initial of the author surname (A),
- name of the author (AdamsDouglas),
- book (hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy)
- if in doubt, always look at the existing wiki markup how to format the author name, and the other titles, texts.
Templates
to make adding easier here are templates for adding stuff. these templates are also accessible from the Help button in the editor.
Letter page template
[[CategoryProse Prose]]
=====X=====
here come the author WikiNames
----
[[CategoryProse Prose]]
{{lastedit}}
Author page template
[[ProseX X]] | [[CategoryProse Prose]]
=====Au, Thor=====
====My Work====
bla bla
(hungarian translation by Killgore Trout)
----
[[ProseX X]] | [[CategoryProse Prose]]
{{lastedit}}
thank you and have fun.